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Choir going into chapel at Harpenden, member of staffs wedding 1976.
The man was Mr Parker the groundsman he was going to the wedding as was the lady behind him93b169957f618dbf6c06f746378a70fccb36ed1b
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Sep 23 14 12:39 AM

I wonder when Highfield choir started wearing red, this colour is the prerogative of choirs at Chapels Royal and in the eighties Her Majesty The Queen expressed her displeasure at the number of choirs usurping that privilege.
The choir always wore black in my time which was far more suitable as it didn't show the dirt that was introduced by the grubby little tykes who wore the vestments! tic, honestly!
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Sep 23 14 1:36 PM

How dare you impune upon my good character! My flabber is totally gasted. It was quite clear from the start that I was not permitted near the alter for fear that they would mistake me for an angel. It had nothing to do with my knowing the scrap value of the brass collection plates!!
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Sep 23 14 8:07 PM

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Wow!  Who knew!? --about the significance of the color red for the robes!  True enough, in my day too, we wore black robes. and a funny four-cornered black hat that might suggest having graduated from something, although who knew what from?!  I have a dorky picture of myself attired in said outfit, from around 1948, although when I first got it, I thought I was the cat's meow.  I'd wanted to join the choir way before, but they didn't have a robe small enough.  Just had to wait til there was one.
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Sep 27 14 9:03 AM

I don't remember what colour the robes were during my stay, 1965 to 73. To be honest I was not really that interested in the choir being the heathen I was/am.

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Sep 27 14 5:10 PM

You probably had more fun stuff to choose from in your time, Dave--youth club, TV, pets, etc.  My goodness.  In our days (40's) we had chapel, Sunday school, choir, more chapel, Brownies, Girl Guides, chapel again, choir practice...well, you get the picture.  Of course the best part of all was just playing on the grounds and in the woods.  (secretly, though, I loved the music!  :-)  )
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Sep 27 14 9:07 PM

Well in our day we lived in shoe box in middle of road. No sorry wrong site.

You are right Shelagh we only had chapel on Sunday. Like you say we had things like coffee bar, model railway club, playing in woods and in my case Sea Cadets. I was pestered by the staff to be baptised into the Methodist church as I had not been done before but I resisted. For some reason although I had no strong feelings either way I just did not like the idea. I do have strong feelings now and certainly would not take part in such ceremonies. This did cause some friction between my in laws and myself over my own children. I took the stance of my children can do as they wish when they can make their own decisions on such matters. I was considered to be condemning them to eternal damnation. Fortunately my wife was on my side.

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Sep 29 14 7:43 PM

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Ah, I see where the "boat' thing came from then, Dave.  Also making models, if you were in the Model Railway Club.  I wonder how many of us could attribute some interest in our later lives to something that got started in the NCH years?  That could be a topic in itself, don't you think?  For me I sometimes wonder if I ever came out of the woods?!   But seriously, yes, music was a major interest (still is), although not as a profession.  Books, yes--that got started in the NCH, and I worked in libraries, bookshops, and teaching literature for a number of years.  That naturally segued into my writing interest,where I realise now that I share something with my sister, Nancy. She passed on some years ago, but I have some lively excerpts from her journals at the time she was in the Home,  that showed me what a powerful thing writing can be in bringing back her spirit as a young person at Harpenden!  SO glad these came my way!
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Sep 30 14 12:56 AM

Hi Dave,
I just wonder whether the basis of the model railway club you attended was an ex Shutt set? On a visit to Clifton Ted saw us mucking about with an old clockwork O Guage set that had seen better days (thousands of them!). Big hearted(?) Ted says " we have an electric one at home that Martin no longer plays with, just call around on Saturday and you can have it". Now there was an offer that no NCH kid could have refused. The following Saturday Colin (Drumcree), Derek H and me were up at the very crack of dawn almost as though it was Christmas. Over to The Governor's house, banged on the door and waited in great anticipation for our new electric train set. A window opened and Mrs Shutt leant out in her nightwear, ominous! " hello Mrs Shutt we've come for the train set" "Mr Shutt will give you train set if you are not careful, it is quarter to six in the morning and you may well have woken him" I was about to discuss this situation with my compatriots when I realised that another window was opening and that I was already quite alone. I do believe that my actions from that point caused the word 'scarperred' to be coined. Several further advances were made to the Shutt defences but all were rebuffed. SO!! was your model railway club started with our promised train set?
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Sep 30 14 5:42 PM

Hi Shelagh,
It is interesting how our interests may have started by things in our past. I too can attribute my love of reading to my time at Harpenden. I think my reason for having to wear glasses came from trying to read in very poor light hiding under the bed clothes with a torch whose batteries were past their best hoping sister won't catch me. Also interesting is the fact i liked model making was noted in my records along with not having a girl friend!

Hi Roy,
I do not know how the club came about or or where the railway layouts came from. I remember they were housed in a hut near the cub scout/ brownies hut. We had two OO layouts plus a very nice permanent slot car (scalextric) track. I did prefer the trains. May be the reason I did work for British Railways for a while.
 

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Sep 30 14 8:28 PM

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Hi Shelagh,
Every time our whole family gets together, Christmas, Birthdays, Summer BBQs etc., the evening always ends up with us playing games.  This is a legacy from when I was in No. 2 house, Fairfield.  We used to play games like ludo, snakes & ladders & snap.  When my girls were growing up it was games like Monopoly, Cluedo, & Risk.  Now with the grandchildren & their other halves, it's games like Wi, Trivial Persuit, Pictionary, taboo & any of the latest games that come on the market & always ends up very noisy & great fun.

Hi Dave,
I too am an avid reader which stems from my time at the home.  I'm very envious of you having a torch, although I was lucky that my bed was by the window & in summer could read until quite late by turning a corner of the curtain back.
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Sep 30 14 8:43 PM

Hi Di,
Board games were played by us too and carried on with my children. We always tried to get a new board game for the family every Christmas. I was listening to a radio program recently when this very subject came up. It appears board games have been making a bit of a comeback.

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Oct 2 14 11:14 PM

Does honesty pay? The good folk of Harpenden used to leave torches for us attached to their bikes when they parked them behind the Embassy cinema. It was of course considered to be only fair to return the torch when it needed a new battery how else was the owner to know? In any case returning it gave the opertunity to borrow another with a newer battery thus permitting more to share the privilege of lending their torches to needy causes, I am certain it made the owners feel good. Well it would wouldn't it??
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Oct 5 14 4:21 PM

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HI Di,
Yes, I remember we played board games a lot in Sister Cora's family--probably through the colder months I'm guessing, because I loved being outdoors in the spring and summer months.  We played Snakes and Ladders, Ludo, and another game that had small balls with metallic colors that I remember being very intrigued by, but I don't remember what the game was called, or how it went.  I collected marbles, too.  Also cigarette cards which not only featured famous cricketers of the time, but also trees, flowers and such--unless I'm mixing those up with the cards that came in packages of tea at that time?  About the only board game I enjoy playing these day is Scrabble, which may be attributed more to my love of words, but possibly the whole idea of enjoying a board game to pass the time got started with my NCH years.  In fact, we have become a Scrabble-freak family--sharing results of games between the three countries we now inhabit.  I have not yet joined the online, i-phone or Facebook Scrabble lot--simply afraid it will consume even more time than I already give it.  :-)
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HI Roy!
I remember having a bicycle torch at one time.  I have no idea how I came by it (didn't steal it off a bike, honest injun!).  It wasn't that good to read by, but what interested me was the way you could slide the top of it along so that the light could be green, red, or white.  Very ingenious!  This was while we were still in the old houses before they were changed to flats, I do remember that.  Maybe it was a treasure that got passed around, because as I recall, it was only on one night that I remember having it.  And as you say, once the battery was gone, that was it, anyway.  Ah, lovely memories!
Shelagh

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